The five stages of grief

1.) Denial:

Hillary hasn't lost! She can still win. Sure, she's lost the pledged delegate count, is getting crushed in super delegates who have pledged since Super Tuesday, lags McCain in the polls, is tens of millions in debt, and has just about run out of states, but there's still a path to victory! Quick, donate more! The only math that matters is the superdelegates!

She's going to get the nomination!

2.) Anger:

What do you mean West Virginia by its lonesome self isn't enough to guarantee Clinton the nomination? That's it! I'm voting for McCain even though I disagree with everything he stands for! Losing abortion rights will show Democrats the folly of letting the primary winner get the nomination! And those poor GIs in Iraq? Who cares, since Democrats insisted on letting the rules determine the nominee! How dare the superdelegates ratify the will of the voters by siding with Obama?

If she doesn't get the nomination, we walk!

3.) Bargaining:

Hillary Clinton for VP. She's earned it! Sure, she brings nothing to the ticket geographically, and offers nothing demographically that can't be offered by anyone else, but it's her or nothing! If you do the math, adding them up together makes them an invincible "dream team", even though we believe Obama is sexist and hasn't crossed the "commander in chief threshold". The superdelegates better force this on Obama!

If she doesn't get the vice-presidential nomination, we walk!

And that's where things stand right now. We've just got to get through the depression stage before we finally get to acceptance. We're slowly getting there.

•  I always

  add one more.  Transformation.

  Through acceptance, we become transformed.

  by nolalily on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:50:52 PM PDT

  •  One more again: dieting.

    (for me, anyway.)

    by jeff in nyc on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:51:22 PM PDT

    •  Kos, li'l typo there: 'invisible dream team'?

      Didja mean to say "invincible"?

      by jhutson on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:55:10 PM PDT

      •  It's invisible!

        You can only see it if you are a good person!

        by oscarsmom on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:56:04 PM PDT

        •  And you clap your hands real hard nt

          by JML9999 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:56:51 PM PDT

          •  No

            You have to clap clap THEN point point. Only then shall you see.

            by alkalinesky on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:16:18 PM PDT

            •  Ya See I never Got the Manual

              And you know what a pain it is to call tech support.

              by JML9999 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:18:56 PM PDT

              •  Don't forget the 'gloating' phase

                ... it goes along with 'pop psychoanalyzing the other team,' and it apparently can go on indefinitely.

                by Califlander on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:13:30 PM PDT

          •  tip for your sig line...

            by Goober Pea on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:42:14 PM PDT

            •  What we have here is a failure to

              communicate.

              BLAM

              by Bipolar Disorder Democrat on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:00:05 PM PDT

        •  Like the Smurfs

          If you're good you might see them too.

          By the way, I hate the smurfs.

          by Bipolar Disorder Democrat on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:00:12 PM PDT

          •  I have to Rec random Smurf attacks

            its in the Dkos EULA or something

            Thnx for the smile.

            :)

            by Unseen majority on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:21:34 PM PDT

            •  You can still take the poll

              http://www.dailykos.com/...

              by Bipolar Disorder Democrat on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:40:33 PM PDT

        •  Or certifiable. n/t

          by Muzikal203 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:11:05 PM PDT

      •  Too Bad

        But noone would EVER believe that Senator Clinton would be "invisible" were she to be VP <smirk>

        by MA Voter on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:21:21 PM PDT

  •  Transformation.

    She's going to turn into a Robot Origami/Rubik's Cube style

    by JML9999 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:54:08 PM PDT

    •  Assemble like Hilltron

      More than meets the eye!

      by Joe Beese on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:00:04 PM PDT

  •  no sh&t! I have a diary about this been working

    on for 3 days! Never could get it right , though.
    good to see this here, this is exactly what's going on . thank you markos.
    we will be fine if we can give the diehard Hillary supporters time to move to stage 5 between now and Nov.

    by dantrotheplanetman on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:27:11 PM PDT

•  give her a toaster

  make it a nice one with a bagel setting, the send her back to New York.
  buh bye.

  by FireCrow on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:51:21 PM PDT

  •  They have toasters with "bagel settings"? n/t

    by mftalbot on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:52:48 PM PDT

    •  Yep, They Do!

      I think there's even bagel-specific toasters.

      by CityLightsLover on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:54:59 PM PDT

      •  I got one by accident, they don't do toast very

        well!  Toast is too skinny.

        by 417els on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:57:22 PM PDT

    •  Apparently

      http://www.kitchencollection.com/...

      http://www.google.com/...

      by JML9999 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:56:11 PM PDT

    •  Why, of course. Here is MarkPenn's toaster

      

      (and yup, photo by... diary author.)

      by AmericanRiverCanyon on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:17:50 PM PDT

      •  "if contents ignite, close door and unplug "

        ... darn, the original is too big and this one's just a wee bit too small.

        by AmericanRiverCanyon on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:20:59 PM PDT

      •  sheesh

        No Hillary in the brand name </snark>

        by MA Voter on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:22:48 PM PDT

    •  Ahhh....

      another low-information voter?

      by oldpro on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:38:32 PM PDT

  •  Actually, you don't want a bagel...

    It's a terrible idea for breakfast. No real nutrition, a bunch of carbs, and you'll probably just add fattening cream cheese and set yourself up for a mid-morning crash.

    by Kevin88101 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:06:12 PM PDT

    •  Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

      A bagel w/Cream Cheese!

      by Bulldawg on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:09:01 PM PDT

    •  Who said it was for breakfast?

      Actually, you don't want a bagel...

      Yeah, actually, now that you mention it, I do.

      It's a terrible idea for breakfast.

      Opinion noted and rejected as irrelevant.

      No real nutrition, a bunch of carbs, and you'll probably just add fattening cream cheese and set yourself up for a mid-morning crash.

      Individually these words are English. Together? Not so much.

      by khereva on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:30:11 PM PDT

  •  We don't want her anymore

    but Arkansas can have her back.

    by Living in Gin on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:11:19 PM PDT

    •  There's that Illinois home-state advantage, too?

      But she is still Senator from NY.  So will probably stay there for the foreseeable.

      by Land of Enchantment on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:41:51 PM PDT

      •  Don't be so mean to New York. n/t.

        by Christy1947 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:46:40 PM PDT

        •  I didn't vote for her there.

          (Or anywhere else, for that matter...)

          by Land of Enchantment on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:16:51 PM PDT

•  Let's move on, Kos

  Just because she can't, doesn't mean we can't.
  CONGRATULATIONS, OBAMA!

  by LaughingPlanet on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:51:32 PM PDT

  •  As Long As She's Attacking the Nominee...

    ...she's not above being the target of a counterattack.  

    by DHinMI on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:53:55 PM PDT

    •  But is she? In the last 4 or 5 days? (no text)

      by Juneappal on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:55:51 PM PDT

      •  Dunno if she is. What's HE out there saying?

        Bill's very busy out there in rural America. I used to really like the guy, but right now I'm wondering about just what he's saying to continue driving the wedge.

        by FeverDream on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:05:30 PM PDT

        •  Bill's very close to my house tonight.

          I wonder what he's saying too.  

          by Kentucky DeanDemocrat on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:25:09 PM PDT

          •  I saw him here in Bardstown.

            One thing I agree with that he said.  "The elites are deciding this election." and then he added the part of how voters in two states don't count.  IMO all so true, and very problematic for a party with the name Democrat(ic).

            by gaydar on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:19:16 AM PDT

      •  Yes. Same racism. Same lies.

        Hillary is still talking about how she should get the nomination because her race makes her likely to get more white votes. Obama's Team reportedly said that in each state, including those which voted on Tuesday, there are organized Clinton lie campaigns saying Obama is a Muslim and anti-American.

        To a lot of people Hillary is way, way over some red lines and they won't let up on her until she lets up on Obama.

        It's not a personal dislike of Hillary, but a feeling that what she's doing could cause Obama and other Democrats to lose in November.

        by Wu Wei on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:42:41 PM PDT

        •  News to me.....

          Obama's Team reportedly said that in each state, including those which voted on Tuesday, there are organized Clinton lie campaigns saying Obama is a Muslim and anti-American.

          Hadn't heard that.  In what venue did they say that?  And who are "they?"

          by Juneappal on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:06:39 PM PDT

      •  Big Dog Bill sure is.

        And really all this yelling about Michigan and popular vote and Puerto Rico and you can't win without West Virginia stuff contains some disparagement.  It's all that "he can't win" stuff.

        I'm just waiting for them to start arguing that you can't win without Puerto Rico.

        by Land of Enchantment on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:43:31 PM PDT

    •  But it's like advertizing

      If you don't pay attention to it, it can't affect you.

      And for the record, it seems like she fianlly got the memo about canning the attack dog tactics.

      by LaughingPlanet on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:55:53 PM PDT

      •  Hilarious

        Was it you who advised John Kerry to ignore the Swift Boat ads?

        by DHinMI on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:56:52 PM PDT

        •  there's a difference

          The media are already beginning to stop paying attention to her.  Swift Boat worked because the media were giving the attacks free coverage every day.

          by Joe Buck on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:59:37 PM PDT

        •  The swift boat ads were not the problem.

          The "news" media leading every hour with them, day after day, for weeks?  That was the problem.  Just that little ad in a minor market buy wouldn't have mattered if it hadn't been taken up and run with.

          by Land of Enchantment on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:45:23 PM PDT

      •  Either that or the media has

        just stopped reporting what she is saying altogether, LOL.

        by oscarsmom on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:57:06 PM PDT

        •  A couple of days ago...

          NPR played a clip of the Obama speech promoting veterans' benefits.

          Then the announcer, in the nearest vocal equivalent to using a smaller font, perfunctorily added "His rival Hillary Clinton was also campaigning in the state."

          God, that felt good.

          by Joe Beese on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:02:08 PM PDT

          •  Wow

            "in the nearest vocal equivalent to using a smaller font" -- Beautiful!!!  I'm gonna steal that.

            Karen in Austin

            by Wife of Bath on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:05:37 PM PDT

        •  National media, true.

          But local/regional media still covering it.  C-SPAN seems to have cut back a wee bit, though I haven't checked closely enough to be sure.  Once you've seen the stump speech a few times, even of a candidate you like, it gets a bit tedious.

          by Land of Enchantment on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:47:07 PM PDT

    •  She may remain silent the rest of the race

      But that's only because if she drops out she has to endorse Obama and she doesn't want to do that.

      She wants him to LOSE in November so she can run in 2012. If you understand that concept you'll understand why she'll take this to the convention and maybe even to November (write-in anyone?)

      by eltee on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:59:17 PM PDT

      •  No, she doesn't

        Despite popular belief here, Hillary really is a democrat and a decent enough person so that she wouldn't allow her own interests to outweigh the pain and suffering that another four years of McBush would inflict on America. She really will campaign her heart out for Obama.

        by Bipolar Disorder Democrat on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:03:21 PM PDT

        •  i keep hoping that... we'll see... n/t

          by that veiled gazelle on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:07:19 PM PDT

        •  She's been doing just that for the last 2 months

          by Joe Beese on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:07:22 PM PDT

        •  If she intends to help him then, why won't she

          help him now?

          by Sam Wise Gingy on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:18:37 PM PDT

          •  It's politics

            Kitchen, heat, saddle up, that kind of thing. Each year is unique, this one especially so. It'll happen in its own good time.

            by Bipolar Disorder Democrat on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:31:11 PM PDT

        •  is this snark?

          lol about lower case 'democrat'

          'a decent enough person' got me laughing again, that has to be a joke

          and 'campaign her heart out' assumes she has one

          by miss SPED on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:34:29 PM PDT

        •  And if we clap our hands, Tinkerbell will live.

          What's in your post is a comforting idea-- I just don't think it's supported by any of the facts.

          by khereva on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:32:26 PM PDT

    •  Very true

       But she hasn't been all that bad the last few days. At least as far as I can tell.

       Her surrogates, though... ugh.

      by Buzzer on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:11:26 PM PDT

  •  What are the 'Five Stages of Crowing'?

    This kind of unhelpful shit is ... well, unhelpful and shitty. Way to alienate people! Yay!

    by GussieFN on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:09:45 PM PDT

    •  I agree

      Especially since Sen Clinton wont be reading this, but her supportors might. I understand its good to bear a snarky snarl once in awhile, we dont want to give the impression of weakness that might allow room for a convention floor reversal to Clinton. We probly want to rein this stuff in as much as possible, Kos, no matter the wit or wisdom we may be revealing. It may prove counterproductive in the end.... Why rub salt? As the frontrunner, Obama and his supportors have the luxury of choosing which battles to contest. I hadnt heard any attack from Sen Clinton, so this is kinda pointless imo.

      If Bush keeps attacking Obama we may see a Dem reconciliation sooner than later. And things like this wont matter too much.

      by Unseen majority on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:42:59 PM PDT

•  come november hillary supporters

  will come out for obama in droves

  by SensibleDemocrat on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:51:35 PM PDT

  •  Yup

    I have very little doubt about that.  

    by DHinMI on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:54:24 PM PDT

    •  If even 1/2 of them come around

      It will be a blowout.  Poblano did a nice analysis of what that would look like

      http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/...

      by unertl on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:11:52 PM PDT

  •  I think they will if we leave them alone

    Seriously, what's the point of saying "in your face" to them like this.  They're mostly fellow Democrats.  

    Let's focus on winning the general, and then we gloat in the Republicans' face.  

    Hillary supporters, you candidate ran a tough race.  

    by bosdcla14 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:55:18 PM PDT

    •  Good comment and thought. n/t

      by BigDog04 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:02:23 PM PDT

    •  bullshit - they're they're the ones . . .

      making these outrageous attacks on our nominee, or supporting a crackpot scheme to blackmail queen Clinton onto the ticket. one bad apple spoils the bunch, these quacks - while a very small but vocal minority of hillary supporters need to be squashed. besides, it feels good,

      by billydanielus on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:03:31 PM PDT

      •  this reads like a parody, dude. nt.

        by seabrook on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:09:36 PM PDT

      •  not universally...

        hillary supporters are probably (nearly) as diverse a group supporting our candidate.

        some of them are idiots, but some pro-obama folks are, too! some just like hillary.

        many of the kind ones will be offended by excessive hillary bashing.

        by that veiled gazelle on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:09:40 PM PDT

        •  Are those the ones we're worried about?

          No, mostly we're talking about the ones all over the Internet spreading smears. I have no problems with the other HRC supporters.

          by Muzikal203 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:16:59 PM PDT

          •  if it's clear and focused,

            it will be clear and people will focus.

            if not people will feel misjudged, and that won't help obama one bit.

            by that veiled gazelle on Fri May 16, 2008 at 06:12:05 PM PDT

    •  We don't really bother/mess with them

      the only time we really say anything is when something stupid pops up like the Columbus situation.

      by Muzikal203 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:16:03 PM PDT

    •  "Mostly" fellow Democrats

      I think that the Hillary supporters (like me) are dyed-in-the-wool Democrats (like me) "mostly."  It's amazing to me how many Obama supporters seem to have bought into some kind of notion that Hillary Clinton is really a Republican. The newer voters coming to the party for Obama are really the "mostly" Democrats ~ to be more accurate.

      by suswa on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:41:43 PM PDT

  •  Not until one more stage:

    Depression. Maybe I'll vote for John McCain if I can't have Hillary.  What difference does it make?  Barack Obama won the nomination with the media and the intellectuals and the blacks and all those people who aren't working-class women of a certain age, so how can he be a real Democrat?  

    by Dallasdoc on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:57:48 PM PDT

    •  Depression? Try Effexor

      "The Change You Deserve"

      by Randolph06 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:01:05 PM PDT

      •  I wonder where the Republicans had heard that

        Wonder if they were being treated for depression, anxiety disorder or panic disorder?  All three, likely.

        by Dallasdoc on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:05:00 PM PDT

  •  Hillary is divisive

    If her campaign doesn't show exactly WHY Hillary doesn't fit to be president, I don't know what else.

    Completely divisive and brings out the worst in people. Her supporters are truly amazing for group of people who call themselves progressive.

    Kinda shows that the democratic party still has  a lot of work to do.

    by opedn on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:14:39 PM PDT

    •  Blame her advisors

       I actually find Hillary Clinton quite personally appealing. If she had actually campaigned as a non-DLC progressive Democrat, she would have coasted to the nomination without breaking a sweat.

       I was very angry at the course her campaign took, even before Obama emerged as a legitimate challenger -- hiring union-buster Mark Penn was unfortunately a harbinger of things to come.  

       Hillary made bad staffing and messaging decisions, and unfortunately they seeped into her personal image among many Democrats who had supported and respected her. And that's the real tragedy here.

       Let me put it this way. When I hear Hillary speak, I respond positively (when she's not dumping on Obama, though that much-maligned "celestial choir" snippet was actually very funny to me and showed a sense of humor and real humanity). Then I hear Lanny Davis and Terry McAuliffe speak, and I instantly remember why I opposed her to begin with.

      by Buzzer on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:26:36 PM PDT

      •  Terrible judgement as a manager.

        And not very good at putting together an effective leadership team.  Or managing a budget or planning for contingencies either.  Those are things I want to see in a President.

        by Land of Enchantment on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:51:05 PM PDT

  •  From your mouth ...

    to the FSM's ears.

    by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:54:17 PM PDT

•  I Like invisibility...

  I was practically invisible all through high school.

  by Abraham Running For Congress When I Turn 25 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:51:44 PM PDT

  •  it only works for so much.

    there is a place for effecting the world without being noticed, but there are a lot of types of change that are suited to being visible, even highly so.  invisibility worked for me in middle school, then not in high school or college, then worked again after college, now it doesn't again.  just depends on your work.

    this is a total digression, but...

    by that veiled gazelle on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:13:12 PM PDT

  •  Incredible Invisible-ness.

    You were luckier than I was. Many nights I found myself in front of the class, naked. I would have killed for invisibility then...

    by Decih on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:13:19 PM PDT

•  House just voted to cut off war funding!!!

  by David Kroning on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:51:57 PM PDT

  •  We need a dairy!!!

    149 to 141 to cut off funding for the war in Iraq...

    by David Kroning on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:55:04 PM PDT

    •  diary...christ...not milk.

      by David Kroning on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:56:02 PM PDT

      •  heh, we got some dairies in WI

        by juslikagrzly on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:57:56 PM PDT

      •  That's one of my favorite typos

        No need to apologize...always good for a laugh!

        by oscarsmom on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:04:55 PM PDT

        •  No one is covering this!

          by David Kroning on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:08:36 PM PDT

          •  Huh? It

            by oscarsmom on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:10:03 PM PDT

            •  's been on the FP

              (talk about blog errors!)

              Or do you mean in the MSM?  Wouldn't surprise me I guess.

              KO will talk about it.

              by oscarsmom on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:10:41 PM PDT

            •  The House of Representatives...

              just 5 minutes ago...voted 149 to 141 to cut off funding for the war in Iraq.

              This was followed by votes to put significant restrictions on President Bush's war policy, including a timeline for withdrawal, and creating a new GI Bill to help returning veterans.

              by David Kroning on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:10:57 PM PDT

              •  why don't you write it if you want it so? n/t

                by that veiled gazelle on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:14:53 PM PDT

                •  I don't have one...this is fucking important!

                  by David Kroning on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:16:55 PM PDT

                  •  There was a diary on the Rec List

                    about it for most of the day, so chill dude!

                    by oscarsmom on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:26:38 PM PDT

                    •  I hate it when that happens!

                      by David Kroning on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:33:39 PM PDT

    •  Milkshakes

      by Nancy in LA on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:34:57 PM PDT

    •  Do you suppose that Bush thinks he...

      ... can veto a bill not passing?  Or do a signing statement and make it be so anyhow?  His mind is so very far beyond my ability to fathom it.

      by Land of Enchantment on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:52:34 PM PDT

•  Sounds like our "Policy" in Iraq

  See McCain's 2013 date as bargain

  by JML9999 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:52:15 PM PDT

•  I couldn't agree with #3 more.

  dream team my a$$.

  by MI Sooner on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:52:25 PM PDT

  •  It's not like the threat of walking out goes away

    if HRC is on the ticket.  If there's one perceived snub, they still walk....this time with the added leverage of being able to get press coverage.

    by Inland on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:00:31 PM PDT

•  I endorse this post. n/t

  by PointGuard on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:52:38 PM PDT

  •  Anyone can endorse.

    I super-endorse this post.

    by griz4u on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:55:09 PM PDT

    •  I add-on to your endorsement. n/t

      by George Hier on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:02:05 PM PDT

  •  Sorry.

    I'm going to have to endorse the post before yours instead. It's time you dropped out for the good of the diary...

    by Decih on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:15:10 PM PDT

    •  He has the right to keep running...

      ...the Trusted Users will decide this race... even though his post has no viable path to a majority, the Trusted Users will see that it is superior to the post you endorsed.  Just wait. ^_^

      by Nate in IA on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:12:16 PM PDT

•  The MSM is nearing acceptance for her.

  by BA BarackUS on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:52:55 PM PDT

  •  The Republicans have been ignoring...

    ... Hillary for awhile.  While they often do not seem to be reality-based, on this occasion at least, they seem to have figured it out.

    by Land of Enchantment on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:53:59 PM PDT

•  Slowly getting there, sure

  This goddam campaign has lasted forever. This 2+ year nonsense has to stop.

  by keirdubois on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:53:04 PM PDT

  •  I dare say

    if Michigan and Florida's delegates are in fact not seated, no state in the future will attempt to jump the gun again.  At least we can be sure this farce will not be repeated.

    by oscarsmom on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:06:22 PM PDT

•  good to "see" you Kos

  my sympathies to you and yours.

  by juslikagrzly on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:53:17 PM PDT

  •  Seconded. eom

    by griz4u on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:55:51 PM PDT

•  I really hope that doesn't happen

  If Hillary is the VP, I think we'll have major problems in the general. Remember, one of the reasons the right fears Obama so much is because they can't use the anti-Clinton fervor to make up for the overall lack of enthusiasm. If Clinton is on the ticket, they get to go after the Clintons, and continue smearing Obama with a bunch of lies.

  by Aethern on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:53:18 PM PDT

  •  It would be "Change & The Same" vs "McSame"

    Not going to happen.

    by 417els on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:03:52 PM PDT

    •  Exactly

      It would essentially neutralize a great amount of Obama's strength vs. McCain.

      by Aethern on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:08:24 PM PDT

•  LOL

  Been thinkin the exact same thing

  by marcvstraianvs on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:53:21 PM PDT

•  meh

  let it go dude

  by LaEscapee on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:53:39 PM PDT

•  Why don't they just paint a target on the ticket

  and give the Rethugs some laser-guided missles? Make it easier on them to attack our ticket. Yeah, great idea.

  I'm with you Kos, let's hope they get to and through depression in a hurry.

  by gabbardd on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:53:40 PM PDT

•  scary

  For a minute there, I thought I'd inadvertently wandered into MyBFD, The Clinton Coaster, or Delete Threads Right And Left: The Politics Of Clinton. The latter site is particularly thumping the "bargaining" tub these days. Pathetic.

  Well done. Looking forward to reading your renderings of the "depression" and "acceptance" stages.

  by blueness on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:53:54 PM PDT

  •  they finally went and banned me from mydd